My 909 3 Door

Lemon-Ade · April 12, 2012, 21:16:23

Cheers Dave, I can't wait to see what they have done and I will up date what and when Power Engineering get back to me

Quote from: big_wig_074 on April 12, 2012, 10:22:56
this car is STUNNING!!!! enjoyed reading this and look forward to more updates.

Thanks very much mate, it is good to know people enjoy it

loads more pics and stuff to get up to where it is now. I just was working on it all my spare time in the end and not updating on here

Cheers Ade

Lemon-Ade · April 20, 2012, 21:29:54

Picked it up from Spec-R last Saturday and I'm very pleased with what Pete has done. The header tank has sorted the water not really circulating in the old plastic header I think the turbo return was just going into the top of the swirl pot.

Then drove up to santa pod for central day washed the car at 1am then enjoyed the day

It won car on stand with 100 other cars

and loads of positive comments. Pete from Spec-R called on Monday and asked if he can show it on his stand at Fordfair. So the car is going back for his top feed cooler and rad and turbo cooler rad and hopefully the turbo hangers too, hopefully next week. No rolling road yet as Pete said his cooler will flow more and be way cooler than the airtec 70mm RS500 one that's in there now. After seeing the car and the air filter location he feels the cold air feeds will be fine as when working on the car they removed the bonnet vents and the filters are directly under the vents.

On the way back Ollie took a little vid not done one yet so hope it works

Hope you like it.

Dave · April 20, 2012, 21:42:19

QuoteIt won car on stand with 100 other cars

Well done that's pretty special & getting on the Spec-R stand.

See all that hard work is now paying off big time.

Just need a good dyno result & it's a full house.

Very impressive mate.

Still think the filters need to be re-located somewhere cooler.

Get some lengths of pipe the right size, when it's on the dyno do a run as is & then with the pipes so air is drawn in outside the engine bay.

You will see a difference

v6gerry · April 20, 2012, 22:58:23

that looks like a work of art ade , can see why it won best car , those tanks fit very nicely first class job look forward to seeing it for real soon

robrs2 · April 21, 2012, 21:47:18

Spotted your car at pod, but you were not back before I had to leave.
Car look real well

turboshed · April 23, 2012, 00:23:01

Saw the spec r stuff in the flesh on the car today,looks really well made stuff.not far off from being able to dyno the car,just a few more tweeks here and there.
The car was seeing ambient or below on the air charge when rolling on intial mapping,putting a cold air feed to them will help in traffic,but there is plenty of air flow under the bonnet.Mine are under the bonnet and I also see ambient air charge temps when rolling down the road but they do climb when stuck in traffic.You can always do something later on but a decent dyno fan will keep the cool air flowing.

Dave · April 24, 2012, 09:28:27

What Spec R has told you surprises me, there is a reason why they are called vents, look at the fins which way do you think the air flows & what temp do you think that air will be.

& your intakes are directly under them in the main flow area!

Just do what I say on the dyno you will see what I mean espically if the bonnets shut.

Lemon-Ade · April 25, 2012, 21:31:54

Quote from: Dave on April 20, 2012, 21:42:19

QuoteIt won car on stand with 100 other cars

Well done that's pretty special & getting on the Spec-R stand.

See all that hard work is now paying off big time.

Just need a good dyno result & it's a full house.

Very impressive mate.

Still think the filters need to be re-located somewhere cooler.

Get some lengths of pipe the right size, when it's on the dyno do a run as is & then with the pipes so air is drawn in outside the engine bay.

You will see a difference

Cheers Dave, I am still just taking it in

I only did it for me really, I'm really pleasantly surprised at the response really as there isn't a yb in there lol. Yeah have the pipe so we can try that and see. Dyno should be soon but Spec-R is still working on that insane focos time attack car so this Saturday looks like it may not happen

Lemon-Ade · April 25, 2012, 21:40:12

Quote from: v6gerry on April 20, 2012, 22:58:23
that looks like a work of art ade , can see why it won best car , those tanks fit very nicely first class job look forward to seeing it for real soon

Cheers Gerry , yeah mate I am well chuffed. I think it really needed it and the strut brace is so strong looking and even though the shell is new really you can feel the difference it has made. Up the ace cafe Saturday week and the pod for classic, Steve has a pass for you. How are you getting on with yours?

Lemon-Ade · April 25, 2012, 21:44:14

Quote from: robrs2 on April 21, 2012, 21:47:18
Spotted your car at pod, but you were not back before I had to leave.
Car look real well

Cheers Rob, that's a shame it would have been good to meet you and have a chat mate, I was enjoying watching the drags

will you be at classic ford?

Lemon-Ade · April 25, 2012, 21:58:15

Quote from: turboshed on April 23, 2012, 00:23:01
Saw the spec r stuff in the flesh on the car today,looks really well made stuff.not far off from being able to dyno the car,just a few more tweeks here and there.
The car was seeing ambient or below on the air charge when rolling on intial mapping,putting a cold air feed to them will help in traffic,but there is plenty of air flow under the bonnet.Mine are under the bonnet and I also see ambient air charge temps when rolling down the road but they do climb when stuck in traffic.You can always do something later on but a decent dyno fan will keep the cool air flowing.

Cheers mate, it's close now

we have run it to 6psi and 4K odd at 50 to 60% tp and it feels great. The temps are all still good

Ollie said far better than he sees in his FRS Mk1. The engine is bedding in nicely it's done 1k miles (

) clutch feels nice now too it's not to grabby, now just need the cooler and then dyno

oh and a few diffs

I may call Emerald next week as I have had no reply from power engineering, but at least I can drive it there now.

Lemon-Ade · April 25, 2012, 22:50:19

Quote from: Dave on April 24, 2012, 09:28:27

What Spec R has told you surprises me, there is a reason why they are called vents, look at the fins which way do you think the air flows & what temp do you think that air will be.

& your intakes are directly under them in the main flow area!

Just do what I say on the dyno you will see what I mean espically if the bonnets shut.

Well I had the money and was prepared to pay them to make the under the inner wing jobbies I had in my mind. The vents on a 3 door I am sure I read somewhere that there was a compromise on location for aesthetics so as to their performance it is debatable lol I really am not going to argue with them as they think better value / performance is from the garrett core cooler to lower the temps and for more flow with far quicker recovery times from about one third smaller cooler, so faster response too. The filters will get a air feed for now but I will try and test as you say on the dyno (get some numbers) see how it goes if it shows that there is a problem then I will tell them it has to be addressed. Or I will fab something up myself if they won't do it.
In all honesty at 6psi feeling the power now at 4 to 4.5k at 50 0dd % tp (I think that would be the daily sort of map) my biggest concern at the moment is the diff letting go on the rollers as the boost is increased as they map it

lol On another note the dump valve (DV24) was sucking open at idle originally, I fitted some washes and it is closed at idle now. I called Bailey today and explained to Bruce I think it was, the issue and asked if there was a stronger spring available? He said " they should be open in an idle situation ", I thought it would only be in vacuum (throttle closed) and boost excess pushing it open. I was told no?

Dave · April 26, 2012, 11:59:56

Yeah the dump valve thing is fairly common.

You have total seal rings so you will have a lot of vacuum at idle, more than enough to open the valve.

It's a little worring when you can see that some suck in unfiltered air straight into your engine LOL!

Yeah the intercooler thing I agree with too.

They have got the filter vent thing wrong however.

Place a plactic bag on top of the filters, now blow air across your bonnet with an air line etc.

The bag will stick to the vent as the air creates a vacuum that sucks the hot air out of your engine bay.

The faster/harder you drive the more hot air will be flowing through the vents & your intakes are right in the path of it.

Don't worry about the diff, it has an easy life on the dyno.

Lemon-Ade · April 26, 2012, 20:25:15

Cheers Dave, The rings explain the dump valve then

when I noticed it you can feel the air exiting the valve at idle, so the turbos must be pushing some air even at that low rpm. They where not sucking any air in

that would be worrying. Is that normal with all turbos or the low resistance in these ball bearings allowing this? That's a relief about the diff then

.

Cheers Ade

Dave · April 26, 2012, 22:51:19

You sure cause I have not noticed that before.

Rev it up a little & sure you can see there is pressure but not as it's idling away???
Place a finger on the compressor nut of the turbo & they should stop. They really do nothing at idle.

The rings mean you probably have a few more psi of vac at idle but even with STD ones it would do it.

The new Minker engine only has about 5psi of vac at idle & it's dump valve chatters at idle.

Found this.

Lemon-Ade · April 27, 2012, 20:40:12

Yeah, It was when it was first started or just after when It was going out for the first road session. Graham was there and felt it too, I took it apart four or five times and added washers and stretched the spring in the end too to get it to shut. Mine has a little over half a bar of vac at idle, we are not talking tons of pressure only just enough you can deffo tell it was exiting the valve not atmos being sucked in. Is that not normal then, maybe I should re check it now at it has done 1000 miles now ? I will also stall them with my finger too

and see.

Yep, I get the gist of it

cheers Dave

robrs2 · April 27, 2012, 23:05:02

Three types of dump valves. Dependant on efi system
Twin piston are used with air flow meters. They will be closed at idle.
Single piston are used with map sensors. They will be open at idle.
Recirc type are used with either map sensor or airflow meter. These too will be open at idle but just return air back to the turbo inlet or air box.
Lots of people think they control the boost pressure by venting of the excess.

TimoXr4i · April 28, 2012, 00:37:51

Ill need a recirc, becouse i use an airflow meter and a mapsensor, so, no psssssssstj for me

robrs2 · April 28, 2012, 21:45:06

There is a recirc type that has a atmos blow off as well. There very fast and furious. Look on eBay

Dave · May 02, 2012, 09:03:32

Quote from: ade500 on April 27, 2012, 20:40:12
I took it apart four or five times and added washers and stretched the spring in the end too to get it to shut. Mine has a little over half a bar of vac at idle, deffo tell it was exiting the valve not atmos being sucked in. Is that not normal then, I will also stall them with my finger too and see.

Don't worry about it mate, it's not a problem however it sounds like you may have stopped your dump valve working by fitting them washers etc, just put it back to STD.
It may be simply it's a little small as what I am thinking of is TT cars with two massive dump valves on.
They have fueling & other problems caused by them valves. You can see the valves are open & sucking in unmetered air.
Wrong type fitted as Rob points out.

1/2 a bar of vac at idle is about normal.

Only press your finger against the shaft nut & only at idle.
Normally the friction is enough to stop them but it's not a problem if they don't.

Lemon-Ade · June 10, 2012, 21:35:50

Little update. No cooler yet

maybe next Saturday now

I have fitted a motorsports developments diff mount as the floflex is a piece of poo it has been knocking on taking up drive and with the grabbing of the 6 paddle it was getting bloody annoying

on removal it had 2 to 3 mm gap top to bottom 1200miles running in what a joke...

out with the old

and in with the new.

I also have some alloy beam mounts as the floflex have lost my trust now, and I will be replacing the rest too (prob next winter now). Anyway I have fitted some turbo blankets and ducted the air filters as we spoke about with some smooth bore high temp 75mm duct and cold feed carbon canister filters under the inner wings.

The real down side is, that you cannot really hear the turbos now

I really liked the sound before and had got quite attached, gutted. (only hope is as they are only 6psi is once its mapped right up they may get louder?)

My Dad has machined up some stainless bits ready for the turbo hangers (spec-R) on the old plastic screw plug covers both sides and two more for the top of the triangle that will bolt to the sides of the plenum and the dip stick plastic top is now sorted,

alloy filler cap too.

Also felt like a change and have fitted the stock rims back on

now.

The 17 to 15 inch

the 17" had 1915mm and the 15" had 1793" that's 122mm per revolution, on the hunt for a 3.14 now as I really like it on the stock rims.

Traction is now limited lol and I think the life span of the lil 15" 205s will be short. The sooner the t/c is up and running the better.

Also the stud kit is on order from Mike

Cheers Ade

REGMCI · June 10, 2012, 21:40:20

Magnificent mate!

v6gerry · June 10, 2012, 22:14:00

Looks good Ade, thought you would loose your turbo's whistling away

, i thought your car was on differant rims up at the pod !!!! great looking car mate , trying to source some differant seats for my escort maybe focus st ?? had bad back trouble after the pod show think i've got use to moden car seats !!! will try and measure those E/ mounts this week .
Cheers
Gerry

Lemon-Ade · June 11, 2012, 20:59:29

Quote from: REGMCI on June 10, 2012, 21:40:20
Magnificent mate!

Cheers mate pics of the diff mount added

Lemon-Ade · June 11, 2012, 21:10:57

Quote from: v6gerry on June 10, 2012, 22:14:00
Looks good Ade, thought you would loose your turbo's whistling away , i thought your car was on differant rims up at the pod !!!! great looking car mate , trying to source some differant seats for my escort maybe focus st ?? had bad back trouble after the pod show think i've got use to moden car seats !!! will try and measure those E/ mounts this week .
Cheers
Gerry

Cheers Gerry, yep I do like the stock rims

and i'm gutted about the lack of noise

hmm ST seats have you got a pic? I think we are all getting on and like a bit of comfort nowadays

nowt wrong with that mate

Cheers Ade

v6gerry · June 11, 2012, 21:34:01

Hi ade would be interesting to see power runs with your filters in the 2 differant positions , no don't have a pic of seat was surfing and see those , there is lots of option so will but i do like the stock interior of mine , i could'nt here the turbo on my 12v TT ! but you deffantly can on 24v engine

xr4x4ever · June 11, 2012, 23:23:12

I LOVE that car! Totally awesome. Turboshed had been telling me about it, I only found it today, it's a really piece of work, I am very jealous!

Though I will say, I'm sure Graham already said, he mapped my car, then after 12minutes flat out at silverstone, this is what happened to my engine mounts (both of them...) So a word of warning!

The engine moved about after that! They replaced them immediately, but I refused to fit them again. Used them as gearbox mounts instead. I'm sure a little heat matting and you can get around it.

Lemon-Ade · June 12, 2012, 21:26:32

Quote from: v6gerry on June 11, 2012, 21:34:01
Hi ade would be interesting to see power runs with your filters in the 2 differant positions , no don't have a pic of seat was surfing and see those , there is lots of option so will but i do like the stock interior of mine , i could'nt here the turbo on my 12v TT ! but you deffantly can on 24v engine

I like the stock trim to mate

but you could still keep them for later, but you need to enjoy it

I will get it done with both so we all know how much it affects the power. The air temps while on the move are the same, so it needs some traffic

never thought lol If there is not much in it power wise the cones will be back and the 75mm ducts will be cold air feeds, as it really is so quiet now.

Lemon-Ade · June 12, 2012, 21:40:55

Quote from: xr4x4ever on June 11, 2012, 23:23:12
I LOVE that car! Totally awesome. Turboshed had been telling me about it, I only found it today, it's a really piece of work, I am very jealous

Cheers

mate, glad you enjoy, he has told me about yours to

have to meet up sometime at a show or something. I have to agree with the floflex they have some real issues and I am going to replace the lot, probably be the winter now if they last that long

.

What mounts are you using now and how are they holding up to the heat ? My turbos are a bit away but that looks very worrying, the rolling road when it gets mapped may well kill them lol.

big_wig_074 · June 13, 2012, 18:19:37

couple of pics of this in Performance ford this month